3408 and 3412 Long Blocks Caterpillar


3408 and 3412 Long Blocks

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August 2008    

3408 and 3412 Long Blocks

Long Block Selection: General Information
 

The purpose of this technical supplement is to help you decide if there is a Caterpillar remanufactured long block available for a particular engine application. When making your decision, please keep the following points in mind.

Long blocks are not available for every engine application. The long blocks we do offer can, however, be used to service many applications even though the long block does not exactly match the original engine configuration. When the consist of the Reman product offering differs from the consist of a customer's engine, only the dealer and customer can decide whether or not it makes economic sense to change the parts that differ.

It's Caterpillar's policy to incorporate the latest critical engineering changes into Cat Reman products. Therefore, long blocks may be offered with some parts from a later design era as service repairs for engines from an earlier design era. An example is the 3406C crankshaft, connecting rods, and pistons which are not in certain 3406B long blocks. The result is that the parts in the long blocks match each other but do not match the parts consist of new production engines, nor do they match any single parts book. When long block parts consists differ from the official parts list, Reman provides an engine plate alerting the customer to Special Instruction or Service Magazine articles for information on non-standard parts.

Make sure any future engine/long block repairs, which do not use parts called for by the original parts book, or official replacements called for by parts and service sources, are carefully documented. If you choose to make any configuration or consist changes, good documentation can prevent problems the next time parts are ordered.

3408 and 3412 Long Block General Information

The 3408 and 3412 long blocks are shipped with the front cluster gears in place to maintain the timing between the camshaft and pistons to prevent damage to pistons and/or valves if the long block is rotated from its shipping location of "top dead center, number one firing." (The camshaft drive gear on these engines is not for use in engine arrangements with camshaft-driven fans.) Please reference the following Service Magazine articles for additional information:

    "Fan Now Driven By Crankshaft", May 23, 1983.

    "Fan Driven Conversion Group Available To Change Fans From Gear Driven to Belt Driven", October 17, 1983.

    "Fan Now Driven By Crankshaft", March 8, 1985.

The 3408 long blocks incorporate the thick web/thick cheek crankshaft design found in 3408B series engines. When used together, the new style block, crank and cam will directly replace the previous style components. Some flywheel housing machining may be required to accommodate the thick cheek crankshaft (see: Service Magazine 14, December '87 and Service Magazine 13, May '85). Since these "new style" long blocks are intended to service all 3408 engines, either style core will be accepted for full core credit.

The 3412 long blocks include the latest design (quieter-running, increased strength, straight-toothed) front gear group. Engines with the previous style helical front gear group will need the oil pump drive gear replaced with the new style gear (2W3875). The effective serial numbers for the change to the new style straight toothed valve gear group are as follows: 38S16935-Up, 60M05364-Up, 81Z1572-Up, 7DB00899-Up, 9XF00076-Up, 7315311-Up.

3408 and 3412 Direct Injection (DI) long blocks incorporate the latest wide taper connecting rods and thick top ring pistons. As of this writing, these improved parts can be be used in combination with each other, to service all 3408 DI and 3412 DI engines back to first production. Any future repairs must be made with parts, which are compatible with the long block. Please review the following Engine News articles for more information:

    "Connecting Rod Changes and Replacement Information", March 12, 1980.

    "Reference List of Pistons Used with the Different Types of Connecting Rods", September 10, 1980.

    "New Piston Group has a Thicker Top Ring", December 15, 1982.

Don't forget to use NPR or other sources to find the most current part numbers that replace the ones shown in these old articles.

3408 and 3412 Reman long blocks are shipped with temporary valve mechanism covers and a valley cover plate (117-5974) to guard against damage and debris during shipment. Lifting eyes are also provided to assist the dealer in removing the block from its packaging. The valley cover plate, the valve mechanism covers and the lifting eyes are to be returned with the core. The valve mechanism covers and lifting eyes from the core engine should be kept for use on the new replacement Reman long block. Information tags are attached to 3408 and 3412 long blocks to remind the mechanic which parts to return.

Long Block Selection: General Information

First, decide whether the customer's engine is a 3408 or 3412 and determine whether it has pre-combustion chambers (PC) or direct injection (DI). Normal parts and service sources can be used to look up this information by engine serial number, if necessary. This will narrow down the list of long block candidates shown on the following chart.

If the customer's engine is a "DI", you will have to wait until the next step to further narrow the candidate's list. Next, use normal parts sources (parts book, microfiche, SIS, etc.) to look up the current piston part number for the customer's engine. If the customer's piston is not one of the numbers shown under "Piston P/N's...", use NPR or other sources to find the most current part number intended to service the customer's engine.

If the customer's piston still doesn't appear in the chart, Reman does not offer a perfect service replacement long block. If you are willing to do further research, you may find a Reman long block which can be used as a service repair. The following articles may help with your research.

    "Connecting Rod Changes and Replacement Information" Engine News, March 12, 1980.

    "Reference List of Pistons Used with the Different Types of Connecting Rods" Engine News, September 10, 1980.

    "New Piston Group has a Thicker Top Ring" Engine News, December 15, 1982.

Don't forget to use NPR or other sources to find the most current part numbers that replace the ones shown in these old articles.

If the customer's piston or an acceptable service repair piston is shown, you should now have narrowed the candidates down to one or two columns of the chart. Next, follow the remaining candidate columns down into the consist section of the chart. Check the camshaft, then cylinder head part numbers shown against the part numbers called for (by normal parts sources) to service the customer's engine. By this point, you have narrowed the search down to one candidate long block part number. Now check the other part numbers listed in the same column of the consist chart. For a long block candidate to become a selection, all the part numbers listed under the long block part number should match the correct service part numbers for the customer's engine. You may select a long block which isn't a perfect match if you believe changing the parts which don't match is worth the time and money to do the work. Remember, 3408 long blocks have a thick cheek crankshaft intended to service all 3408's.

NOTE: Read the notes referenced in the chart. These notes explain, among other things, important adaptability and shipping information.
 

Long Block Candidates (Non Marine) 0R4274 0R4275 0R4278* 0R9355 0R4276 0R4277 0R4279 0R9360 0R-4851 0R-4853
Engine and Attributes 3408 PC 3408 DI (NOTE H) 3408 DI (NOTE G) 3408E DI 3412 PC 3412 DI (NOTE H) 3412 DI (NOTE G) 3412E DI G3412 G3408
Ref. Production Block Gp 117-9509 117-9509 117-9509 117-9509 117-9514 117-9514 117-9514 117-9514 101-3720 105-5430
Ref. Production Piston Gp 7N-3633 9Y-7212 9Y-7212 192-2208 7N-3633 9Y-7212 9Y-7212 192-2208 160-7990 160-7990
                     
Long Block Consist
                     
Head Gp-Cyl D 0R-4127 0R-4130 0R-9375 0R-8512 0R-4144 0R-4131 0R-9385 0R-8515 0R-9485 0R-9483
Bracket-Gp 1W-5207 1W-5207 1W-5207 N/A 1W-5207 1W-5207 1W-5207 N/A N/A N/A
Support-Hsg Lh 6N-6731 6N-6731 6N-6731 N/A 6N-6733 6N-6733 6N-6733 N/A N/A N/A
Support-Hsg 6N-6732 6N-6732 6N-6732 N/A 6N-6734 6N-6734 6N-6734 N/A N/A N/A
Bracket-ump 7W-8071 7W-8071 7W-8071 N/A 7W-8071 7W-8071 7W-8071 N/A N/A N/A
Manifold N/A N/A N/A 141-6605 N/A N/A N/A 141-6607 N/A N/A
Cylinder Pack 0R-1571 0R-1572 0R-1572 0R-7858  0R-8200 0R-1571 0R-1572 0R-1572 0R-7858 0R-8109 0R-8109
Crankshaft As J 1W-5009 or 10R-2033 1W-5009 or 10R-2033 1W-5009 or 10R-2033 1W-5009 or 10R-2033 0R-2812 or 0R-1207 0R-2812 or 0R-1207 0R-2812 or 0R-1207 0R-2812 or 0R-1207 0R-1207 0R-1221
Gear Gp-Front 7N-2840 7N-2840 7N-2840 126-7281 N/A N/A N/A 127-3516 4N-6341 7N-2840
Gear As-Idler N/A N/A N/A 7N-7584 2W-4087 2W-4087 2W-4087 2W-4087 2W-4087 7N-7584
Gear As-Idler N/A N/A N/A 7N-7584 2W-4087 2W-4087 2W-4087 2W-4087 2W-4087 7N-7584
Gear As-Idler N/A N/A N/A N/A 4W-8597 4W-8597 4W-8597 4W-8597 4W-8597 N/A
Washer-Thrust N/A N/A N/A 7N-2443 7N-2443 7N-2443 7N-2443 7N-2443 7N-2443 7N-2443
Shaft-Dr Idler N/A N/A N/A 117-9712 117-9712 117-9712 117-9712 117-9712 117-9712 117-9712
Balancer Gp-R 4N-1092 4N-1092 4N-1092 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 4N-1092
Gear Gp-Rear 4N-3825 4N-3825 4N-3825 N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A 4N-3825
Bracket Lifting E 7N-1751 7N-1751 7N-1751 118-8475, 118-9115 7N-1751 7N-1751 7N-1751 7N-1751 7N-1751 7N-1751
Camshaft Gp-s 4N-0963 10R-1865 4N-0963 10R-1865 4N-0963 10R-1865 108-1547 4N-0965 4N-0965 4N-0965 108-1553 4P-6894 4P-7333
Mechanism Gp. V B 4N-4298 4N-4298 4N-4298 108-1551 4N-7352 4N-7352 4N-7352 108-1874 104-4217 6I-0244
Base-Arm Cover F 4P-5022 4P-5022 4P-5022 106-9488 4P-4980 4P-4980 4P-4980 106-9488 4P-4980 4P-5022
Cover-Rocker F 7C-7879 7C-7879 7C-7879 114-8684 6N-2758 6N-2758 6N-2758 114-8684 6N-2758 7C-7879
                     
Shipped "Loose"
                     
Breather As. 9Y-2988 9Y-2988 9Y-2988 4N-4668 9Y-2988 9Y-2988 9Y-2988 4N-4668 9Y-2988 9Y-2988
Core As ? Oil Cooler 0R-5511 0R-5511 0R-5511 0R-5511 0R-5513 0R-5513 0R-5513 0R-5513 0R-5513 0R-5511
Pump Gp - Water 0R-4679 0R-4679 0R-4679 0R-4679 0R-4680 0R-4680 0R-4680 0R-4680 0R-4680 0R-4679
Seal Valve Cover 5P-3218 5P-3218 5P-3218 108-3956 5P-3218 5P-3218 5P-3218 108-3956 5P-3218 5P-3218

NOTE A- This number is for reference only. The Reman consist does not exactly match any production part.
NOTE B- Crankshaft is positioned at top dead center, number one firing, before shipment.
NOTE D- Core Plugs in rear face of Cylinder Heads may not match the customer's application. Form SEHS9776 is attached to rear of Cylinder Head.
NOTE E- The Lifting Group is for handling during installation and removal from shipping container. The customer may have to use the Lifting Eyes from the removed engine. Form SEHS9666 is attached to the Rear Eye.
NOTE F- This Valve Cover Group is for debris protection. The customer will have to use the Valve Cover Lids from the removed engine. Form SEHS9665 is attached to the Front Valve Cover Lid.
NOTE G- With 40 mm Injector Nozzle Adapters for use with later, long, thin, "PENCIL" style Fuel Injector Nozzles (Ref. Nozzle P/N's: 4W7018, 4W7019, and 4W7020). The Injector Nozzles are not included with the Long Block.
NOTE H- With 55 mm Injector Nozzle Adapters for use with short, fat, "CAPSULE" style Fuel Injectors (Ref. Nozzle P/Ns: 4W7012, 4W7013, 4W7014). For more information see: "New Cylinder Heads and Fuel Nozzle Adapters Used", Engine News, July 1985 (and Supplement:4/00/86). The Injector Nozzles are not included with the Long Block.
NOTE J- "Thick/Cheek Web" Crankshaft. This crankshaft, together with the later Cylinder Block, is intended to service early style engines. Do not reject this long block as a candidate just because the Crank and Block part numbers do not match the customer's engine. The parts in the Long Block match each other. Older Style Flywheel Housings will have to be machined to provide clearance for the thick cheek crankshaft. (see: Service Magazine 14 December '87 "Earlier Flywheel Housings Can be Modified for Use with Later Crankshafts" and Service Magazine 13 May '85 "New Crankshaft, Cylinder Block and Camshaft Used"). Heavy duty Rear Gear Group Applications will require exchanging the Rear Gear Group and/or Balancer.
* Use of 0R4278 Long Block for 988F Wheel Loaders having engine serial numbers before 48W40078 requires conversion of Front Gear Train to a helical design. Effective with engine serial number 48W40078, the Front Gear Train contains Helical Gears, and 0R4278 Long Block can be used by transferring components from the production engine, including the 4P3581 Rear Gear Group.

 

 
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