785G Off-Highway Truck Systems Caterpillar


Hoist Electrical System - Test

Usage:

785G RTL
Note: Before performing this test, check the "Information Touch Screen" for diagnostic codes that are active or diagnostic codes that are inactive. Make all repairs necessary to the electrical system on the truck to clear all events in the screen.

Note: If there is a problem with the electrical system for the hoist, the "Chassis Electronic Control Module (ECM)" will cause the modular handle (hoist) valve to remain in the HOLD position until the problem is fixed. When the problem is fixed, the modular handle (hoist) must be placed in the HOLD position. This will reset the "Chassis ECM" allowing normal operation of the valve for the modular handle (hoist).

Check the Modular Handle (Hoist) Lever

  1. Turn the start switch key to the ON position.


    Illustration 1g06201777
    View of the location for the "Information Touch Screen". The screen display will change when navigating the touch screen.
    (1) 459-2222 Display Module Gp
    (2) 458-3039 Hoist Control Gp

  2. View the position of the modular handle (hoist) lever on the Information Touch Screen by using Step 4 through Step 2.d.

    1. Select "Service" from the "Home" menu.

    2. Select "Service Parameters".

    3. Select either "Sort by ECM" or "All Parameters".

    4. View the position of the modular handle (hoist) lever.


    Illustration 2g06194115
    The position of the tuck bed is displayed as an icon on the information screen.

  3. Move the modular handle (hoist) through the four positions RAISE, HOLD, FLOAT, and LOWER.

  4. Compare the display on the "Advisor" with the position of the modular handle (hoist) lever.

Hoist Lever Position Sensor

The hoist lever position sensor receives 24 V from the "Chassis ECM". Refer to Step 3 and Step 4 to check the supply voltage to the sensor.



    Illustration 3g06201839
    The Hoist Control module is located beneath the cover of the center console. To access the control, the cover must be removed.


    Illustration 4g06201809
    Hoist Control module and lever handle.

  1. Remove the cover for the center console.

  2. Remove the modular handle (hoist) to access the sensor for the modular handle (hoist).

  3. Connect a multimeter between Pin "A" (battery) and Pin "B" (ground) of the connector that is for the modular handle (hoist) position sensor.

  4. Set the multimeter to read "DC Volts".

    Refer to Step 5 through Step 7 to check the output signal of the modular handle (hoist) position sensor.

  5. Connect a multimeter between Pin "B" (ground) and Pin "C" (signal) of the connector for the modular handle (hoist) position sensor.

  6. Set the multimeter to read "Duty Cycle".

  7. The duty cycle output of the sensor should be approximately 97 percent when the lever is in the full RAISE position. The duty cycle output of the sensor should be approximately 3.5 percent when the lever is in the full LOWER position.

Check the Input and Output of the Chassis Electronic Control Module

  1. Turn the start switch key to the ON position.

  2. Lower the dump body.

  3. View of the default screen for the "Information Touch Screen".

  4. Navigate the touch screen to view the input and output of the Chassis ECM.

    Note: When the engine is not operating, the "Chassis ECM" causes the output to the modular handle (hoist) valve to remain in the HOLD position. To override this condition, hold the modular handle (hoist) in the RAISE position for 30 seconds.

    1. Select "Service" from the "Home" menu.

    2. Select "Service Parameters".

    3. Select either "Sort by ECM" or "All Parameters".

    4. View the input and output of the "Chassis ECM".

  5. Place the modular handle (hoist) in the RAISE, HOLD, FLOAT, and LOWER positions.

  6. Compare the messages from the "Advisor" with Table 1.

Table 1
modular handle (hoist) lever  ECM Input (Chassis)  ECM Output (Chassis) 
RAISE  RAISE  RAISE 
HOLD  HOLD  HOLD 
FLOAT  FLOAT  SNUB 
LOWER  LOWER  SNUB 

Check the Proportional Solenoid Valves

Note: Using Cat® ET to test the proportional solenoids on the modular handle (hoist) valve is easier and faster than adjusting the position sensor for the dump body. The procedure that includes adjusting the position sensor for the dump body should only be done when all other test procedures have been completed.

Using Cat® Electronic Technician (Cat® ET)

  1. Lower the dump body. Stop the engine.

  2. Connect Cat® ET to the truck.


    Illustration 5g01553413
    View of the hoist control valve
    (1) Raise solenoid
    (2) Lower solenoid

  3. Install a multimeter in series with proportional solenoid valve (1).


    Illustration 6g06231493

  4. Select the "Chassis ECM" and then choose the "Diagnostics" drop-down menu to select "Diagnostic Tests".


    Illustration 7g06231499
    When the new window opens, locate and select "Override Parameters".


    Illustration 8g06231505

  5. The list of optional "Chassis ECM Overrides" will appear. Select the "Hoist Raise Solenoid Current Override" for proportional solenoid valve (1) and click the "Change" button at the bottom left corner of screen.


    Illustration 9g06231509

  6. Enter value 2.000 for the amperes.


    Illustration 10g06231514

    Note: The Lower and Raise overrides cannot be active at the same time. Only one can be overridden at a time.

  7. The override will take effect and the new value will be displayed in the "Override" screen.

    Note: Select the "Hoist Lower Solenoid Current Override" for proportional solenoid valve (2).



    Illustration 11g06231544
    The list of optional "Chassis ECM Overrides" will appear. Select the "Hoist Lower Solenoid Current Override" for proportional solenoid valve (1) and click the "Change" button at the bottom left corner of screen.


    Illustration 12g06231521
    Enter the 2.000 value for amperes.


    Illustration 13g06231526


    Illustration 14g06231530

  8. The override will take effect and the new value will be displayed in the "Override" screen.

  9. Disconnect the multimeter and the Cat® ET.

Using the Position Sensor for the Dump Body

  1. Lower the dump body. Stop the engine.


    Illustration 15g01622161
    View of the hoist control valve
    (1) Raise solenoid
    (2) Lower solenoid

  2. Install a multimeter in series with proportional solenoid valve (1).

    Note: When the engine is not operating, the "Chassis ECM" causes the output to the modular handle (hoist) valve to remain in the HOLD position. To override this condition, hold the modular handle (hoist) in the RAISE position for 30 seconds.

  3. Move the modular handle (hoist) lever to the RAISE position. Record the reading on the multimeter. Compare the recorded value with the value in Table 2.

  4. Move the modular handle (hoist) lever to the HOLD position. Record the reading on the multimeter. Compare the recorded value with the value in Table 2.

  5. Use the message center for the "Information Touch Screen" to view the position of the position sensor for the dump body.


    Illustration 16g06193913
    View of the position sensor for the dump body

  6. Disconnect linkage (1) for the position sensor for the dump body. Move linkage (1) to rotate the position sensor for the dump body to approximately 40 degrees. Verify that the position sensor has been rotated to the second stage of the hoist cylinders on the message center for the "Advisor".

    Note: The hoist cylinders must be in the second stage or the dump body must be raised more than 40 degrees for the modular handle (hoist) valve to be in the LOWER position.

  7. Move the modular handle (hoist) lever to the LOWER position. Record the reading on the multimeter. Compare the recorded value with the value in Table 2.

  8. Move the modular handle (hoist) to the FLOAT position. Record the reading on the multimeter. Compare the recorded value with the value in Table 2.

  9. Connect linkage (1) for the position sensor onto the dump body. Check the reading on the multimeter within 20 seconds. Record the reading on the multimeter. The recorded value is for the SNUB position.

    Note: After linkage (1) is connected to the dump body, the modular handle (hoist) valve will be in the SNUB position for 20 seconds. After 20 seconds, the modular handle (hoist) valve will change to the low-power FLOAT position. Compare the recorded value with the value in Table 2.

  10. Disconnect the multimeter.

  11. Repeat Step 1 through Step 10 for proportional solenoid valve (2).

  12. Compare the recorded values with the values in Table 2.

Note: The solenoid valves receive a maximum of 1.9 A of current from the Chassis ECM when the proportional solenoid valves are fully activated.

Table 2
Modular Handle (Hoist) Lever  Amperes  Solenoid (1) (1)  Solenoid (2) (2) 
RAISE  1.9  High  Off 
HOLD  Off  Off 
FLOAT  1.56  Low  Low 
LOWER  1.9  Off  High 
SNUB  .82  Low  Low 
(1) Raise Solenoid
(2) Lower Solenoid

Hoist Lower Valve Adjustment Status (Snubbing) - Configure

Modifying the value of the snubbing will alter the time required for the body to drop completely to the frame once snubbing occurs. The snubbing is adjusted through Cat® ET. The configuration value that is changed is the "Hoist Lower Valve Adjustment Status".

To modify the snubbing, perform the following steps using Cat® ET.

  1. Click "Service" from the top menu and click "Configuration" from the drop-down menu.

  2. Under "Chassis 785G", select "Hoist System" on the left-side of the screen.

  3. Select "Hoist Lower Valve Adjustment Status" on the right-side menu and click the "Change" button at the bottom of the screen.

  4. On the "Change Parameter Value" pop-up box, enter a new value and click "OK". The snubbing value range is "+5" to "-5". Refer to 3.

Table 3
Hoist Lower Valve Adjustment Status 
Value  Result 
+5  Snubbing will occur later or snubbing will occur at a lower angle. The body could hit the rails of the frame with force. 
Default value 
-5  Snubbing will occur earlier or snubbing will occur at a greater angle. The bed may not sit on the frame. 

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